The God Illusion - Richard Dawkins stora illusion

Otroligt intressant debatt jag såg ikväll om boken "The God

illusion" (ni hittar på länken till debatten längst nedan) mellan

den världskände författaren Stephen Hawking själv (världsledande

Humanist och författare, och antagonist till allt religöst) och John

Lennox (inte Lennon, också en författare så som Hawkings,

matematiker, vetenskapmetodolgi proffessor/forskare, men troende

kristen) som argumenterar för en tro på Gud och kritisera Hawkings

teser i hans bok, emedan Hawking får försvara dom. Ni hittar på

länken längst nedan . Alla bör se/lyssna på denna debatt! Väldigt,

väldigt, intressant!

==Axplock ur debatten==

Måste säga att Stephen Hawkings argument var rätt intressant mot

den kristna tron som säger att Gud måste vara den första som satte

universum till verket, att det kan förefalla puckat för vem skapade

då Gud (vad orsakade honom)? Och måste inte anledningen till att Gud

skulle finnas vara lika avancerad som Gud själv och den anledningen

i sin tur ha en lika avancerat anledning? Svaret som Lennox ger är

nog rätt bra: att Kristendomen menar att Gud alltdit funnits, och

att man därav inte behöver leta efter en oändlig orsakskedja bakom.

(Oändlighet påpekar han också finns att se i vårat universums

oändlighet, därför bör även Guds kunna ha oändlighet som egenskap,

och det är ju förefaller ju vara rätt logiskt).

Sen kommer de in på moralen och då är det rätt intressant att

Stephen Hawkings försöker argumentera för att Religiös tro är något

dåligt för samhällets moral då han i sin tidigare bok "Out of Eden"

påpekar att Ateismen/Naturalismen inte tillåter en absolut moral med

"rätt och fel", och då är det lite paradoxalt att han argumenterar

att Religionen skulle vara omoraliskt. Dels är det ju ohållbart för

att hans egen världsbild inte tror att etik är något som finns "på

riktigt" att han ens pratar om moral och att något kan vara

moraliskt förkastligt (Lennox påpekar det) och dels för han kastar

sten i glashus för att ateismen själv uppluckrar alla absolut etik

(det blir godtyckligt), vem är då han då att komma med kritik som

den ateistiska apostel som han är? (min efter tanke)

Båda säger ju att varandras anklagelser inom båda världsbilderna som

har fört krig korstågen/kommunismen exempelvis (inte var

representativa för den sanna ateismen eller kristendomen, där har

man inte mycket att hämta, våldsverkare finns inom alla

världsbilder).
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John Lennox kommer f.ö. på denna konferenens (info/länkar följer

nedan):

"Tro & Vetenskap" som anordnas av föreningen Apologia

(http://www.apologia.se) i Betlehemskyrkan i Stockholm den 26-28

mars! Vi har bland annat bjudit in en professor från Oxford – John

Lennox – känd debattör, författare och föreläsare. På

http://www.fixed-point.org/index.php/video/35-full-length/164-the-da

wkins-lennox-debate kan du se en av hans debatter med Richard

Dawkins. Läs mer på http://www.apologia.nu/konferens)

WHAT CAUSED OUR EXCISTENCE DUDE?

In Sweden -and Stockholm in particular - where I've grown up the consensus is that: just stupid people believe in God. Thats the general opinion in 2nd the most atheistic country in the world. Thank Him (God) it's not the case in other countries.. where the people aren't just bullied in to believing the false/illogic belief of Atheism.

Dearest atheists of the world I dare proclaim that you guy s's shared world view is deeply flawed, and very improbable, if not to say illogic.

My nature science teacher back in high school said the cause of Big Bang was the unbalance in matter and antimatter. I couldn't help but wonder - how could they teach this "bullsh**t". And I asked him that in class; where did unbalance come from - if nothing existed?

We don't know he said. Yet he remained a deeply convicted atheist. And tried to assure all his pupils of the importance of believing in what he viewed was the most "scientific view Naturalism, that mater is all there is, and that is what have caused us.

You could respond to my question and say that whatever was before the Big Bang was strictly physical eternal energy.

But could there really be an eternal naturalistic universe eternally old? How would that kind of universe work? An universe like that would demand that an infinite amount of things would have happened before now and that's not possible and here is the detailed explanation:

To showcase the problem of this thinking - how could there ever be an eternal line of domino bricks - standing in line - falling all the way until now?

There couldn't be:
1. Firstly nothing can cause the first domino brick to fall/move.

2.AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE ARE NO FIRST BRICK IF IT'S AN ETERNAL CHAIN there would always be a brick that was previous to the one you think is the first one and even that makes no sense.

"If you'd come closer you'd always see a domino brick standing lurking back in the shadows of the one you thought was the last domino brick. And think of it what a universe would that be? It would be a universe where it was impossible to count a distinguished domino bricks place (oh, that domino brick is the 2milliont 21st) ? So it's not logically possible."

3. And todays science is in fact quite sure that time has come in to existence "at a certain point in time" (at Big Bang actually) - it has not always existed AND BIG BANG in fact STARTED TIME. So what on earth can physically happen/excist before there where no time? Nothing that we know about at least and for sure not something that is in progress/transformation/is changing.

Some people respond to the things abow with the proposition: that maybe there could have been a causal force that made the universe form which where of a nature that was/is in a infinite form and not finite form or divided in to happenings. This force they say could rather be an eternal happening that always has existed - an ongoing undivided causal force - and not a chain of separate causal events that created us. The problem is with this theory that this universe is finite, and all the natural forces and happenings we know of is finite and transfers in steps between different energy levels or position (or what have you) there is no sutch thing as an infitite force in this finite universe. All we can see is distinct diverse happenings!

So face it atheist, that hypothesis is also out ruled. So all the Naturalist/atheistic options of belief of the forming of the universe is impossible. Atheism is not a choice for someone who wants to rely on real logics. There is no really satisfactory way to explain the beginning of the universe in an (naturalistic) atheistic manner.


There must be a God who flicked his finger and started the chain of Domino Bricks to fall! There must be an "almighty flicker of point finger"-er! The alpha and Oh-maker! And i think he loves us! And this is why:

-He made the cute little kittens!

-And the flowers of spring! And he gave us the beauty sense to appreciate it which would be impossible for evolution to procure (at least in it's own - without God)!



-And the ability for love, laugh,




So ofcourse he loves us, all the people in the world should be able to see that (Even if bad things happen too.. but it's so clear that God doesn't want that to happen then he wouldn't have blessed us with all those other things mentioned! And there's an endless list of other things to mention! I promise more on the topic later on the mystery of God being good and all powerful and still letting evil stuff happen/be in the world.. The short answer is: God lets evil happen cause he gave us a free will and we humans let it happen!

So You should be glad and not dismayed by the fact that God created us! There is a God and he loves You, things even point towards that he even died for You; on the cross as the man Jesus of Nazareth! Wiping away all our guilt slates clean on the cross!! (But more on that later in a later blog-post!)

I know that God is real - I have even met God myself! As a warmth for instance! And I have to urge you to get to know him send him some prayers and give him your life it's the best thing You could do! You won't regret it!